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they are probably thinking woe can't have the economy turn around because that sets joe biden or whatever up perfectly. mickey you are on the "stephanie miller show." >> caller: howdy. i just want to say a couple of things here that are very serious. the first thing is i'm a gay man in south dakota and i work for a company -- i applied for in an ad in the paper here in my town where i live and there's a 90-day period that you have to work before you can get the job. so they worked me up to the 90th day and i was fired. and i asked why, and they said well and they all looked at one another like why are we firing him? and i said is it because i'm gay? and they said oh no no no. and my neighbor across the street is a friend of one of the big bosses and he said they told me it was because you are gay. so when i was applied for unemployment, i was denied unemployment, because being gay was not a good enough reason. and i work for a doctor and when he came into my room and examined me and then read my report and saw i was hiv positive, he screamed bloody murder and told me he would not be a doc
they are probably thinking woe can't have the economy turn around because that sets joe biden or whatever up perfectly. mickey you are on the "stephanie miller show." >> caller: howdy. i just want to say a couple of things here that are very serious. the first thing is i'm a gay man in south dakota and i work for a company -- i applied for in an ad in the paper here in my town where i live and there's a 90-day period that you have to work before you can get the job. so they...
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vice president biden picks up the road show today. he is having lunch with some people but where and exactly with whom has yet to be made public. it has gotten more than a hundred thousand stories from people talking about how the tax incries would affect their families. there is a second round of advertisements today pushing lawmakers to not just make a deal, but to make a deal that protects social benefit programs. >> if the politicians in washington negotiate a bad deal on the bucket and deficit, what do you think will happen to medicare and medicaid benefits. >> it stars two senator and two republican reps. cnn reports the labor unions are spending more than a half of million dollars on this round of spots. we're back with more steph after the break. stay with us. ♪ going to do the young turks. i think the number one thing that viewers like about the young turks is that we're honest. they know that i'm not bs'ing them with some hidden agenda, actually supporting one party or the other. when the democrats are wrong, they know tha
vice president biden picks up the road show today. he is having lunch with some people but where and exactly with whom has yet to be made public. it has gotten more than a hundred thousand stories from people talking about how the tax incries would affect their families. there is a second round of advertisements today pushing lawmakers to not just make a deal, but to make a deal that protects social benefit programs. >> if the politicians in washington negotiate a bad deal on the bucket...
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up says joe biden. the door is open. so the question is john boehner puts a bill on the floor that raises taxes on the wealthy, even if just half as much as the president initially insisted on. is he going to get enough republican votes to pass that? no way in the world. there could be a revolt within the republican party. what do they need to pass that? democratic votes. who was in the west wing this afternoon? >> nancy pelosi. >> we're reading tea leaves but we're laking at something that could be a nascent development and i'm speculating a little bit. >> go a bit further. are you thinking around 37% for the top rate? >> reporter: 37% is the number that keeps coming up. the point is that it could be -- that could be the wiggle room there between that top rate -- remember, 39.6% was the rate during the clinton administration. there's also the question of limit of $250,000 by everybody above that as the president has said ad infinitum during the campaign and above that, those are the people whose taxes
up says joe biden. the door is open. so the question is john boehner puts a bill on the floor that raises taxes on the wealthy, even if just half as much as the president initially insisted on. is he going to get enough republican votes to pass that? no way in the world. there could be a revolt within the republican party. what do they need to pass that? democratic votes. who was in the west wing this afternoon? >> nancy pelosi. >> we're reading tea leaves but we're laking at...
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framework are things that we can all agree on, and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group, my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago and for that matter in the joint select committee, and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and outline he's got an obligation to send one to the congress and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. if you look at the plans that the white house has talked about thus far they couldn't pass either house of the congress. we're ready and eager to talk to the president and work with him to make sure that the american people aren't disadvantaged by what's happening here in washington. >> good morning. you know i think at this point pretty much most folks in the country and certainly in this town know where both sides are on taxes. i think we understand that. to the speaker's point, we have not had any discussion in any specifics with this president about the real problem which is spending. we have got to do something about the spending, and an obsession to raise taxes is not going to solve the problem. what w
framework are things that we can all agree on, and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group, my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago and for that matter in the joint select committee, and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and outline he's got an obligation to send one to the congress and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. if you look at the plans that the white house has talked about thus far they couldn't pass either house of...
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biden is the law's original sponsor. since the law's passage in 1994, domestic violence has dropped 58%. the senate has already passed a bipartisan bill with additional protections for undocumented immigrants, members of the lgbt community, and native americans. but republicans in the house want those protections removed. i think the talks are serious but the prospects dim. the senate democratic leadership aide told the hill newspaper. house republicans don't seem to be learning the lessons of the campaign and election. meanwhile, sources tell "the huffington post" kantor is on board as long as one thing is stripped from the bill, a key protection for native american women. cantor is refusing to accept any added protections for native american women that would give expanded jurisdiction to tribes and is pressuring democrats to concede on that front. in the meantime, the crew over at fox news is giving advice on women can protect themselves against violence. get a gun. fox news contributor dana perino slugged that suggest
biden is the law's original sponsor. since the law's passage in 1994, domestic violence has dropped 58%. the senate has already passed a bipartisan bill with additional protections for undocumented immigrants, members of the lgbt community, and native americans. but republicans in the house want those protections removed. i think the talks are serious but the prospects dim. the senate democratic leadership aide told the hill newspaper. house republicans don't seem to be learning the lessons of...
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vice president biden suggested there's wiggle room over rates. here it is. >> americtheoretically we can negotiate how far up, but we think the top rate should go to 39.6%. >> but that's not in concrete. what rate would be acceptable to you and house democrats? >> that sounds pretty good to e me. however, i think if we fall to the clinton era tax rates, i'm okay with that. i think that e we ought to have some wiggle room on the tax rates because i think the country wants us to compromise. so there's compromise space there, but make no mistake, we're not going to compromise away the upper end tax rates. that's on the table. it will stay on the table. that's what the american people are asking for. >> congressman, great to have you with us tonight on "the ed show." appreciate your time. remember to answer tonight's question. share your thoughts on twitter and on facebook. we always encourage you and want to know what you think. >>> coming up, mitch mcconnell filibusters his own bill in the senate. bernie sanders joins us to talk about what that mea
vice president biden suggested there's wiggle room over rates. here it is. >> americtheoretically we can negotiate how far up, but we think the top rate should go to 39.6%. >> but that's not in concrete. what rate would be acceptable to you and house democrats? >> that sounds pretty good to e me. however, i think if we fall to the clinton era tax rates, i'm okay with that. i think that e we ought to have some wiggle room on the tax rates because i think the country wants us to...
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vice president biden will have lunch with a group of middle americans who can see their income taxes go up similar to the photo-op, the fiscal cliff photo-op of yesterday which was the president meeting with the middle class family. now to jobs. we have something of a surprise report. jobs turned out to be up up. the jobless rate is down and the word from the government is that sandy had no substantive effect on the data. here are the numbers. unemployment down to 7.7%. the economy added 146,000 jobs, not great but good. a third of that came from the retail sector. 53,000 jobs added. professional and business services up 43,000. leisure and hospitality up. construction, though, lost 20,000 jobs. we should note that jobs numbers were revise d downward, though, for september and october. in september it was revised from 148,000 gain to 238,000. went from 138,000 to 132,000. this month, the 7.7 is a full point lower than where we were at this time last year. so what are we supposed to make of these numbers and does the november report provide us a real sense of where this recovery is ri
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joining me is former economic adviser to vice president joe biden, jared bernstein, and ron insana. you heard the speaker and his comments moments ago. this is good for the president, the jobs report, no doubt. he can argue that, my policies have been working, better tax hikes for the upper 2%, more amenable because the economy is coming along. how do democrats leverage this in the key cliff negotiations going on? >> i think the key point is that there is some momentum in the jobs report. the labor market diminished a little bit in december. that's why the unemployment rate fell down, not because of extra jobs. but all told, especially expecting sandy's damage, it was a pretty good report and it shows that there's some und underlying momentum. the argument from the president or from anyone who cares are this economic recovery, it would be a crazy time to throw a monkey wrench at an ongoing recovery that has a little bit of momentum. >> ron, to you on this. talking about sandy, there seems to be a lack of sandy effect as some had thought initially. we see a pullback, a little less th
joining me is former economic adviser to vice president joe biden, jared bernstein, and ron insana. you heard the speaker and his comments moments ago. this is good for the president, the jobs report, no doubt. he can argue that, my policies have been working, better tax hikes for the upper 2%, more amenable because the economy is coming along. how do democrats leverage this in the key cliff negotiations going on? >> i think the key point is that there is some momentum in the jobs report....
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. >> it's a nice gesture for the president considering that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. >>> as you heard, we have lots more to talk about with our roundtable right after this from our abc stations. >> but, the problem with controlling costs you can only do that to some degree. every single year we go back and do the "doc" fix and we'll do it between now and january 1st. that is all always a phoney that congress is going to cut payments to doctors and doctors pull out of the medicare program. >> and the money is restored. >> it's hard to do this without structural reforms. >> let me, if you don't mind, we have seen people's retirement package reduced. we have seen people's individual savings, go down. you can't keep on seeing 401(k)s go down and then say, we're going to cut the other stuff that people count on. >> the numbers have to work. >> i want to turn to the tax debate as well. you guys are sitting back. let's get to the tax debate. you have seen speaker boehner, and other republicans say, more r
. >> it's a nice gesture for the president considering that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. that he hasn't let joe biden have lunch with him even once. >>> as you heard, we have lots more to talk about with our roundtable right after this from our abc stations. >> but, the problem with controlling costs you can only do that to some degree. every single year we go back and do the "doc" fix and we'll do it between now and january 1st. that is...
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vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is for families like this one. >> joining me now is barry, msnbc political contributor and editor for grio. hello, guys. >> perry, i'm wondering if these new unemployment numbers add to the president's leverage? >> i think they do. the big thing is the election. but the jobs numbers suggest that the economy is doing well and it cuts against the republican argument that raising taxes on the rich with would hurt the economy and the economy is fragile. the numbers though that the economy is not fragile and that would improve the economy's leverage. he's still doing so many public events. he is trying to use that public pressure to sort of force the republicans to cut a deal. >> doing this public stuff
vice president joe biden is meeting with a middle class family. and yesterday president obama met with a virginia family. tax hikes for the rich are nonnegotiable. >> just to be clear, i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%. but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is for families like this one. >> joining me now is barry, msnbc political contributor and editor for grio. hello, guys. >>...
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and it is exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group, my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago and for that matter, in the joint select committee. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. >> so that was speaker boehner obviously flanked by republicans. we'll get you that sound bite from the president because i want to make sure you hear both sides. here is the question i'm hearing people ask. if we go off the cliff here, how big of a hit will we take on taxs? stand by because i'm good to give you the closest answer i possibly can. to help me with that is laurie montgomery, the fiscal policy reporter for the washington post. so, laurie, welcome to you here. and your paper this morning, you ran through a couple of tax scenarios which were pretty palletable so we want to show our view whaeers what you ran through. let me run through two. we'll look at this first one. so everybody take a look at this graphic. this is scenario number one, married couple, two kids, one in c
and it is exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group, my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago and for that matter, in the joint select committee. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal, and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. >> so that was speaker boehner obviously flanked by republicans. we'll get you that sound bite from the president because i want to make sure you hear both sides. here is the...
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just a couple years ago to extend the bush tax cut and the white house to call biden and will, whisperer. and the horse whisperer and one for you, one for me, one for you, one for me. that's hard, but that's the way you make a deal. >> at this moment does it look like the image of a christmas eve company or steve or do week over the cliff? >> who knows. somebody who thinks they know is only guessing. maybe there's some strategy in the white house that by a certain date a work something out. >> really stop the morning with the papers. we still love the current papers. mr. woodward is assistant managing editor of the "washington post," which says fiscal year earnings yet to face wall street as stock markets are convinced that the fiscal drama is going to work out. the "financial times" has the opposite headline. they say wall street anxiety grows. so which of these is more true? >> on wall street they live in the zone of eternal and i'm peaceful coexistence of optimism and pessimism. you can talk to somebody who's in the investment world on wall street and in the morning and they're optimi
just a couple years ago to extend the bush tax cut and the white house to call biden and will, whisperer. and the horse whisperer and one for you, one for me, one for you, one for me. that's hard, but that's the way you make a deal. >> at this moment does it look like the image of a christmas eve company or steve or do week over the cliff? >> who knows. somebody who thinks they know is only guessing. maybe there's some strategy in the white house that by a certain date a work...
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maybe eric cantor and vice president joe biden may be working together to reauthorize the violence against women act. >> yes. >> are you bullish or bearish? >> i'm hopeful. i got to say. i actually think there is an understanding of how important it is to get that done. let's be hopeful there. and who knows, alex. maybe that's an opening to a better day for women in the republican party. >> karen finney, you get tonight's last word. thank you for ending on a high note, my friend. >> take care. >> be sure to join me for "now" at noon eastern, 9:00 a.m. pacific, weekdays right here on msnbc. "the ed show" is up next. "hardball" starts right now. >>> gay marriage. an american right? let's play "hardball." ♪ >>> good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this. today the united states supreme court said it would take up the issue of same-sex marriage. this is an astounding moment in american history and in the march of rights that began in philadelphia in the last quarter of the 18th century and continues through this first quarter of the 21st. is it constitutional for
maybe eric cantor and vice president joe biden may be working together to reauthorize the violence against women act. >> yes. >> are you bullish or bearish? >> i'm hopeful. i got to say. i actually think there is an understanding of how important it is to get that done. let's be hopeful there. and who knows, alex. maybe that's an opening to a better day for women in the republican party. >> karen finney, you get tonight's last word. thank you for ending on a high note,...
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you know, they should sit down and really talk this out and the old joe biden way when he dealt with mitch mcconnell a couple years ago. extend the bush tax cuts, in the white house, they called biden the mcconnell whisperer, and the horse whisperer, and the way, one for you, one for me, and that's the way you make a deal. >> this moment, look to you we have a deal by christmas eve, new year's eve or over the cliff? >> who knows. somebody who thinks they know is only guessing. maybe there's a strategy in the white house, you know, by a certain date they'll work it out. >> play book, we always start the morning with the papers. we still love the print papers, assistant of the washington post, which, this morning, says fiscal warning yet to phase wall street. the stock markets are convinced that the fiscal drama is going to work out. the financial times has the opposite headline. they say wall street anxiety grows so which of these is more true? >> you know, -- [laughter] on wall street, they live in a zone of peaceful coexistence of optimism and pessimism. you can talk to somebody in
you know, they should sit down and really talk this out and the old joe biden way when he dealt with mitch mcconnell a couple years ago. extend the bush tax cuts, in the white house, they called biden the mcconnell whisperer, and the horse whisperer, and the way, one for you, one for me, and that's the way you make a deal. >> this moment, look to you we have a deal by christmas eve, new year's eve or over the cliff? >> who knows. somebody who thinks they know is only guessing. maybe...
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biden doing this great work with military families, it's incredible the outreach they're doing and having the importance of the entire family unit. with gay people, even after don't ask don't tell, they're usually excluded from that. there are a thousand different other reasons that make it really hard. but when i did my piece, i am expanding now for a book, in 2000 we called it don't ask, don't tell, don't fall in love. that turned out to be the hard part. they can ask now and tell you about it's hard to fall in love. >> unresolved issues in the post don't ask don't tell military. i want to thank my guests today. laura flanders from grit tv.org and dave cullen the author of columbine. >>> and i want to thank chris hayes for having me in his seat today. you can catch me at 3:00 p.m. eastern on weekdays on the cycle. chris will be back at the desk next weekend on saturday and sunday. up next is melissa harris-perry. it may be the law of the land. republican governors are lining up to do what they can to obstruct the affordable care act. melissa has the former obama administration official.
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from the middle, whether the government is dupont, castle or marcell, with senators roth, coons or biden or kaufman. where democrats and republicans actually like each other and we want to get things done and do what's right for our state. with that in mind we hope some of our friends and neighbors can join us later today in the russell building up on the third floor and we'll make a toast to delaware and enjoy some goodies. it is a joy to serve with my friend. coon coon thank you very much, senator -- mr. coons: thank you very much, senator carper. with that, madam president, i yield the floor. mr. bennet: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from colorado. mr. bennet: thank you. let me be the first to congratulate my two friends from delaware on delaware day. happy delaware day. we have a lot of great things in colorado but i'm not going to try to outcompete you on beaches this afternoon. we don't have a lot of those. but i do think it puts me in mind of something, and that is our constitution. delaware, as senator coons mentioned, was the first state to ratify the const
from the middle, whether the government is dupont, castle or marcell, with senators roth, coons or biden or kaufman. where democrats and republicans actually like each other and we want to get things done and do what's right for our state. with that in mind we hope some of our friends and neighbors can join us later today in the russell building up on the third floor and we'll make a toast to delaware and enjoy some goodies. it is a joy to serve with my friend. coon coon thank you very much,...
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i feel good about not on the conversation with president obama and vice president biden and 13, but we met with speaker boehner today and majority leader reid. i feel the same way, that at least they're listening to us for the first time, at least in my history here, about a very significant issue. so we hope to be a catalyst for good. >> let's hope for the best. governor, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. >>> sounds like military make believe, but it's not p. up next, new camouflage. stay with us. of washington about the future of medicare and social security. anncr: but you deserve straight talk about the options on the... table and what they mean for you and your family. ancr: aarp is cutting through all the political spin. because for our 37 million members, only one word counts. get the facts at earnedasay.org. let's keep medicare... and social security strong for generations to come. if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing tran
i feel good about not on the conversation with president obama and vice president biden and 13, but we met with speaker boehner today and majority leader reid. i feel the same way, that at least they're listening to us for the first time, at least in my history here, about a very significant issue. so we hope to be a catalyst for good. >> let's hope for the best. governor, thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you very much. >>> sounds like military make believe, but it's...
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first we heard joe biden he was visiting a diner. as part of this administration p.r. campaign the president went to the toy factory. he's been with middle class people. he's had a parade of ceos marching in and out of the white house. the president is trying to build support both publicly and privately, meeting behind closed doors with nancy pelosi last night. behind this idea of raising taxes on the rich today. he said he would not compromise on that. but all along there has been the suspicion there could be that kind of compromise, that's where the wig wiggle room was. you talk to people about town close to this negotiation and close to negotiations like this over the years. they said it would likely in the end fall somewhere in between there. they could move as susan was saying that $250,000 that floor could go up somewhere around 500,000. we've asked the white house this a million different ways. they always come back to the same question. it's the revenue. but on the political side, the white house feels as though they won the election, they won that battle. and
first we heard joe biden he was visiting a diner. as part of this administration p.r. campaign the president went to the toy factory. he's been with middle class people. he's had a parade of ceos marching in and out of the white house. the president is trying to build support both publicly and privately, meeting behind closed doors with nancy pelosi last night. behind this idea of raising taxes on the rich today. he said he would not compromise on that. but all along there has been the...
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and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group. my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago. and for that matter, in the joint select commit teach. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline i think he has an obligation to send one to the congress and a plan that can pass both chambers of commerce. if you looked at the plans the white house talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. we're ready and eager to talk to the president and to work with him to make sure that the american people aren't disadvantaged by what's happening here in washington. bill: john boehner, direct, to the point. you need a plan that can pass both the house and the senate. that's where we are right now on the fiscal cliff. december 5th is it? there it is on the calendar. quick break more of what eric cantor said just moments ago. martha: during his 42 years in congress brooks is best known for voting to significantly cut government spending and to pass several historic laws including the civ
and it's exactly how we approached our discussions in the biden group. my discussions at the white house a year and a half ago. and for that matter, in the joint select commit teach. and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline i think he has an obligation to send one to the congress and a plan that can pass both chambers of commerce. if you looked at the plans the white house talked about thus far, they couldn't pass either house of the congress. we're ready and eager...
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one of the good things about a choice when you had bill clinton pick al gore, when you had obama pick biden even when you had bush and cheney, they all, in their own way had their chemistry. but they also bring something to a ticket. or more important they do no harm. so they don't change the their at this. they don't change the essence of the message. so when cheney was picked, people might have said is he picking his daddy's friend or someone so old to help him. those are -- that could slap down a candidate but it doesn't change your whole thrust of your main selling point which was for romney, i could be a better steward of the economy than obama. so when -- you evaluate what happened yes so it was a great chemistry. >> bill: right. but politically -- again, it changed the focus of the campaign and then what did -- what did paul ryan bring? he didn't bring wisconsin. so you ended up with two candidates. had born in or lived in and paul ryan couldn't deliver either. >> here's the other thing. i think this is why these debriefs are constructive because it is hard to get this information at
one of the good things about a choice when you had bill clinton pick al gore, when you had obama pick biden even when you had bush and cheney, they all, in their own way had their chemistry. but they also bring something to a ticket. or more important they do no harm. so they don't change the their at this. they don't change the essence of the message. so when cheney was picked, people might have said is he picking his daddy's friend or someone so old to help him. those are -- that could slap...